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I am sick to death of hearing Sexy Sunday being referred to as 'Slappers R Us'. I DJ there, and am a respectable married woman. I do not like being called a slapper. All of the stuff at Sexy Sunday is like a Carry-on film - silly double entendres, daft jokes and general silliness as an end to what can sometimes be quite a serious weekend.

I would also like to remind everyone that the supposed 'nastiness' coming from Sexy Sunday is mainly rumour and conjecture. I have spoken to the people who run the event and they have no malice or ill-will towards anyone else's events; they just want to be able to run theirs with the minimum of goth scene politics, which no-one currently will let them do! Anyone who knows me well will know that I would not have any part of this type of thing, and will actively combat it where I can. I am an honest person, and wouldn't lie about what was really going on. Nor am I naive; I would recognise if I was being misled.

I am also aware of some facts in this situation that people are not discussing. I will keep these private out of respect for the organisations involved, for the moment.

Yes, there are now effectively 4 goth weekends a year in Whitby. 2 large ones, and 2 small ones. People are free to choose which of these they spend their money on. If the ones Hazel is running are not successful, then she will stop running them. It's as simple as that.

I would also like to remind everyone that I work in one of the most political towns in the UK (Newcastle) and am sick to the back teeth of the politics everyone indulges at every given opportunity. Perhaps if we all stopped bitching at one another, the scene as a whole would be a nicer place to be.

I am very upset about this.

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I am not particually taking sides, never been to an event of hers so I can't comment- however it does seem more than a conincidence that she has organised events right next to WDS events - Bex origianlly booked valentines for instance and Bex originally booked the summer ball and Hazel stole the thunder.

I think there is certainly some back biting that no one will admit to. And this is not to say that any one event is better than the other- as said I can't comment on Hazel's events.

I think the booking right next to the other event has been a little unerhanded- just my view as an outsider.

I spoke very openly with Hazel about the Summer dates.

I was sitting in the Met bar with Hazel and Joolz. We had all just had lunch. Karen, from the Met, approached Hazel and asked Hazel if she would like to book some more dates. I got up and excused myself, as I felt it wasn't my place to be sitting in on that particular business discussion. When Ghost told me the dates a few days later, I noticed the clash with the WDS ball, and raised it. By that point, Hazel had the tickets at the printers and the advertising in place, at a cost of hundreds of pounds. There really was nothing to do but go ahead. Hazel genuinely didn't know the date of the WDS Ball - she is a very open person, I had to email her links to the places where Bexy had put up the dates.

Hazel has been doing AANYE for quite a while - the dates are on her website - and she actually attended the first of the WDS January balls - I know, because she was dancing during my set! Hazel has booked nothing for Valentine's Day - we (CHP) have, in Whitbley Bay, but only after most of our customer base said they weren't going to the WDS Ball for various reasons. The point is moot now, as it has been cancelled.

There is a lot of nastiness going on at the moment and I won't be part of it. I do a job, and I get paid, and I would like to keep it at that, without being called a bunch of vile names for daring to want to earn my living!

I am just so sick of it, people keep dragging me into their rows. I have enough worries of my own without adding other people's problems to the roster.

just wanted to re-iterate that I don't know any 'inner' goings on- it is just my outsiders viewpoint!

(clearly I am unable to say everything I want in one post LOL)

also re politics- it is terrible, it pulls things apart- it is sad that a sub culture is killing itself from within becasue people cannot agree to get along and play nicely!

I had enough of all that in a am dram society I was on the committee for- jeez- if only people with similar interests could listen to each other and get along!

I agree Marie, don't get involved at all!

I used to go to Sexy Sunday every time I was at Whitby and found it all good fun. Greg, Danielle and Brian used to DJ at it and they definitely ain't slappers!

No wonder I take a back seat from all of it now, the politics do stink and there's no reason too! We all like the same stuff, why can't peeps get along? Grr! Lx

I know, I went to a couple when Greg/ Danielle/ Brian DJed and they were great. I really don't mind the 'Carry On' humour at all, I love those films :)

I hate the politicking, and it's been relentless for months. Believe you me, the people down here make the Glasgow lot look like amateurs in the drama department!

Drama??? then you need a Lama!!! :-0 keep yer chin up.. no one ( to the best of my knowledge) is referring to you..

i agree there, I don't think there was reference to you- more the organisers I think

But I'm a permanent member of staff. I am tarred with that brush, too.

Besides which, for all the talk, Hazel is a married woman with a young son, who loves her husband. It's like Barbara Windsor in the Carry On films - there really is nothing more to it than one great big joke. It's a promotional tool for her, something to make people remember her night. She was absolutely shocked when, on her suggestion of a pyjama party, Ghost said that he sleeps without pyjamas! (I really didn't think she would come over all Victorian, but she did).

If I had a figure like Hazel's, I would be just as scantily dressed - in fact, in my younger, thinner days, I WAS more scantily clad than Hazel.

I need the song, too. If only it sounded less like Crazy Frog...

You know damn well that I didn't mean - you - you on the other hand are definitely digging at me right now.

I have it from the horses mouth that I have been pushed out - you DJ for her - you are merely in her emply - but if you really don't know what has been going on, then you are definitely out of the loop! But as I say - you are not someone I consider to be an organiser of the event.

If you have issue with this - you should think about how pissed of you get every time someone out-gigs Charnel House!

I know nothing of the damn sort. I am associated with the event - we get our name slapped all over the website, the advertising, my pictures are all over the gallery - and I've had a number of punters complain to me about the 'slappers r us' tag. It implies the event is for slappers. It offends people. I know how I feel about it, and how I feel is upset.

I know damn well what's going on with Hazel. You can think what you like about me being in or out of the loop. I know that Hazel feels she has something to prove, but it's not to the WDS. There are some thoroughly unpleasant things going on, and we've all gotten caught up in it. I have heard from both sides and I don't want to take sides, I work for Hazel, I work for Jo, I've worked for the WDS. I like working for all parties. But I don't like being called names, and when this particular phrase cropped up on the WGW forum, I objected there and I will continue to object.

No matter who 'out-gigs' Charnel House, we have never given up. If someone puts on a busier night, we increase promotion, look at what we can do to improve, bite the bullet and take the criticism on the chin. Hazel has a lot of drive, and it's just her. She promotes the hell out of her events, looks at the criticism, makes decisions based on it, and is quite pragmatic about the whole thing.

The old WDS used to run events very close to the WGW, and people used to go to both events. You could have continued to run; some people would go to both, some would go to one or the other, and some people wouldn't go to either one. The WDS ball is clearly aimed at a very different market to Hazel's events - there are a lot of people who would rather go to a Ball than a gig or a party. There is a very successful Ball (Georgian?) run in Oxford, as well as others up and down the country. Hazel is targetting a very different audience. There is deliberately no vampire theming, and there's nothing that could even remotely be tagged a 'Ball'. I have never seen any of the sort of people you attracted to the Ball at Hazel's events, except a few people who live relatively locally and would go to whatever was on. The key is promoting to the right crowd, hence the way Hazel promotes her stuff. And it's just that - it's a persona. Like Ghost's ego, it's 9/10ths an act.

Which is all fine if that is all you have to do with your time - I guess it would suit you better if we had continued and then you would not have had to feel the way you clearly do.

Hazel should maybe try to put on and event in Wakefield, I promise, I wouldn't haul into town and put one on against her!

No? Not likely?

You know exactly why she put an event on up agaionst both of ours, and hey - it worked.
So what!

You have just made assumptions about the way I feel. I am very disappointed that the Balls have stopped. I felt they were good for WDS and good for the town. I felt that there would be enough support for them. Putting on events is hard work, and I have a great deal of respect for anyone who gives it a go.

I have plenty of things to do with my time, but we (finally) have a tight team, who all do a little bit towards the promotion and running of the night.

You can have any issues you like with Hazel, I just don't want to be involved. I have never heard Hazel say anything about you, or the WDS, beyond telling me that she enjoyed the event(s?) she attended. If she had said anything negative, I would have been just as strenuous in my defence of WDS, and of you.

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